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notes from the desk of Lord Ihone Munro

Dying Leather Blue

Experimentation on using the elderberry dye method from The Secretes of the Reverende Maister Alexis of Piemount. The following process notes are my attempt to refine the process. For images, please scroll to the bottom of the project notes.

First Attempt

Knowing that I had not dealt with scratch made dye in the past, I figured I'd start small. For the elderberries themselves, I had to use dried berries that I was able to get from Earth Fare (no fresh berries were available locally). I also found some listed on Amazon that carried the same brand, so I ordered extra from there in order to have a backup supply for subsequent attempts.

To begin, I combined 1 cup of the dried berries and 1 cup of tap water in a sealed container for 24 hours at room temperature (+/- 72 degrees) in order to rehydrate the berries. Since the noted formula was most likely referencing fresh berries, my hope was that doing this would at least lend a texture that was similar in nature once the berries were rehydrated. Just soaking the berries in such a manner gave a very deep purple to the water that was used in the rehydration process.

After 24 hours had passed, I set 2 cups of water to a slow rolling boil at medium heat in an aluminum pot, dissolving a tablespoon of Alum (McCormick's from the grocery store). Once I could not see the Alum granules in the water, I then put the entire contents of the rehydrated berry container (both the berries and water) into the pot. To make sure that I could get as much of the juice from the berries as possible, I crushed them against the sides of the pot as they boiled as well. I left the berries to boil with minimal stirring for 1 hour, then left the pot to cool for 1 hour. Once the pot had cooled enough to handle I strained the juice using a mesh coffee basket filter, squeezing the pulp against the side wall of the filter with a spoon in order to get all of the juice from the pulp as possible. This process yielded just shy of 1 pint/2 cups of dye.

Initial observation of the yielded berry juice is that it is a very deep (and quite pretty) shade of purple. The places that I had spilled a little of the juice on the counter (and my hands) was purple as well, so I was not sure if I had done something entirely wrong, since this was to be a formula to make blue dye. For a comparison point of the dipping process, I decided to use blue and purple samples from the current stains that I use on a regular basis in order to draw a comparison using a single dunk into the respective dyes.

For the initial application, I prepared the pieces of leather in the same manner, thoroughly soaking 3-4oz veg tanned leather with tap water, as indicated in the initial formula. I then dipped each piece in their respective colors, then wiped the swatches down and set them to dry.

The water stain took immediately to the leather (as I'm used to seeing), where the elderberry dye was very light in color. As it was applied, it stayed purple in color while it was wet. I was very disheartened, again, since it was supposed to be blue. Then I noticed (a couple hours later) that the paper behind the swatch was actually blue! I completed the remaining immersions as instructed, the second pass was followed by rinsing and breaking the fibers back up, then the third pass was just dunking and letting the leather dry again.

Follow up notes for the first attempt

The process that I followed was on the literal side, I read the instructions as making passes through the vats. After looking at the initial results, I see that the dye took very well to the paper, but it doesn't take a lot to turn paper (as opposed to soaking into the leather). A follow up application to a piece of already treated garment leather (seen above) let me see a little bit better what would happen to the suede side of the leather in comparison to the veg tanned application. I'm drawing a couple of conclusions that I will test against in subsequent attempts, though I will utilize the same process(es) as noted above.

  1. First (and most obvious) adjustment to make will be to strengthen the color of the dye. If the dye itself is weaker because of using a greater amount of water content, that would be a very simple method to test against. At the moment, I do not see any added benefit of rehydrating the berries either, since boiling them will rehydrate them in the single process.
  2. The tanning process that was used in the leather samples may have lent itself to deliver different results from the original formula. From the original notes from the Maister, it looked very much like he was referencing the dye process on a raw skin. If the dye was applied to a raw skin, I think that it would have absorbed better, since there were less chemicals in the skin from the tanning process. As such, I think that I need to do follow up treatments using the following variations:
    • a piece of veg tanned leather that has been stripped using a deglazer cleaner
      this (in theory) should give a more accurate color, since the deglazer removes the existing finish from the leather
    • a piece of deer skin that has not been stripped and piece of deer skin that has been stripped
      this will help me to compare a different type of skin to the veg tanned cow hide to see if it was a matter of the density of the leather from the initial experiment - since the treated suede side of the garment swatch seemed to take the color better than the veg
  3. I need to introduce differing immersion times in a controlled manner. Since dye processes were dependant upon immersing the products in dyes for longer periods of time, I need to challenge exactly what qualifies as a "pass through" the dye as noted by the Maister. In order to achieve this, I think that I will make multiple swatches of the stripped veg tan and place them entirely in a jar of dye. Then I can remove a swatch at controlled intervals, starting with one hour apart. This will allow me to compare at least the first step of the process, since it calls for the swatch to be wiped down and let dry after the pass through the dye.
  4. I do not feel at the moment that this particular method of dye would lend itself to the current manner of detail painting that I do on pieces of tooled leather. Since I've grown accustomed to painting in multiple colors with multiple applications on tooled leather, I can clearly draw the conclusion that this particular period dye method would not have been very good to detail paint with, supporting a separate theory that period work was a single color application of dye - subsequent detailing having been more likely to be burned or gilded into the leather after it was already colored.
  5. Given number 3's conclusion, I do think that if the veg tanned leather accepts the dye fully, it may be possible to tool the leather after it's been completely dyed. I will have to try it, for posterity of course, since it's a major no-no of current leather working technique to dye prior to tooling.
  6. I've seen other methods that utilize creating a paste and rubbing it into the skins. I will attempt in a future test sequence rubbing the pulp into the skin to compare results, most likely with the test on the greater concentration of berries to water.

Click here for notes on follow up attempts using this batch of dye.

Constructive feedback is both welcome and appreciated, please let me know if I missed some pertinent information or if there's somewhere I can improve. As always, thanks for reading!

Sources Cited
  • The secrets of the reverend Maister Alexis of Piemont by Girolamo Ruscelli. OL25228326M
    Translated from French into English by William Ward
  • Medieval Leather Dying by Marc Carlson, original compilation by Ron Charlotte also has a direct translation available.
  • Wikipedia, entry about what a mordant is, along with entries on usage